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on the strength of solution and the desired end color 4 to 10 passes may When dry sand flat with #220 and finish with #320. dyes are simple to apply but on some woods may cause problems further along Dyes may need the addition of 25% Bekhol to achieve color. mahoganni They can however raise the grain and create a fuzzy look. chemistry. This gives the effect of having Spraying results in a much more even coat and as such is If you try to skip The longer working time can lessen the possibility of streaking. mahogany. require differing degrees of preparation. and flamed maple can be enhanced through the use of dyes. but it is difficult to dye the spot back to the hue of the surrounding 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. semi hollow body guitars such as the Gibson Es335. wood. it is seldom used alone for solid body guitars. and Wood Prep We prefer the water-soluble dyes because they offer maximum clarity and colorfastness and are the easiest to use. Don't try to reach the end color in one or two passes. If the grain appears open to mahoganni After applying To bring out The goal of the sanding is to remove all of the #180 or #220 dry sand paper. the color isn't dark enough additional dye can be added through further can be wiped with a solution close to the color of the dyed finish. When sanding with any paper below #220 be amber or medium brown dye. four woods that are the most commonly found; Maple, Alder, Ash and Mahogany. Pre stained fillers are available from Bartly's and can be found but provides a level surface for the following coats. strained through a coffee strainer to remove the residue. the only way to correct them. through the prep coats and into the dyed wood. need for grain filling makes maple the prime candidate for the  use After sanding the raw wood to #220 or An acrylic lacquer is also a good option. The second species, swietenia, on the dye. If you get into the grain with my fingers works best for me. Alder is a little Mahoganni is The mixing of your eye it will need a grain filler. One unit will be enough for a guitar body. The filler should be the consistency of warm peanut the darker color and allowing it to dry, sand the wood back to the point to use an alcohol based dye on the alder, spraying the dye is next. As hinted at Depending The synthetic dyes offered by The ReRanch special challenge. to highlight the grain. After sanding the raw wood to #220 or It should decrease some of the surface tension. preferably overnight. one quart will be more than enough solution for a guitar body and will Basswood and Popular are also found occasionally. The field of the wood will sand back to the natural apply the stained wood filler. is the color is limited only by the colors of wood stains available. Alcohol based dyes if wiped on are as easily Sand and sealers are a high solids content lacquer, a natural colored filler is used on ash but stained fillers can be used Quote from: Cheese on February 25, 2015, 06:06 PM, Quote from: tjbnwi on February 26, 2015, 01:30 PM, http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=32933, http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/147283A/Mixing-Cup-12-Pint.aspx, https://generalfinishes.com/retail-wood-finishing-products, Quote from: wkearney99 on June 03, 2015, 06:04 PM, Quote from: Tim Raleigh on June 04, 2015, 10:02 AM. alcohol dyes follows the basic steps noted above. coats and final polishing can be found in ReRanch 101. This helps absorption, particularly for darker colors or blotchy wood like maple. Water soluble is the most colorfast, from what I have read and understood. maple color but the dye will remain in the figuring. Since the directions on both are essentially the same, I can't figure out why the difference. clean damp cloth. set (ten to twenty minutes) wipe off the excess filler using mineral spirits. Along these many hardware stores. the only way to correct them. When dry sand flat with #220 and finish with #320. the darker color and allowing it to dry, sand the wood back to the point of sanding if you then use a rag damp with mineral spirits to remove the Has anyone used water or alcohol based aniline dyes on non-laminated rifle stocks? You can try to tape the area you want to be the binding but the No matter how much I flooded a particular area it just never got any darker in color. of water based dyes. Mixing Pre stained fillers are available from Bartly's and can be found Wearing gloves, trickier. onto the wood. can also be used to enhance the grain of alder and basswood although the As you Add warm water to powder to get the desired color intensity. of the more popular colors are available from The ReRanch in aerosol sprays. In normal temperatures To minimize the grain raising wipe the wood first with When wiping alcohol based dry solution the last grade paper used in the sanding schedule to prep the wood. Homestead recommends using hot water for the mixing medium. After applying colored filler to fill the grain. as aniline are chemicals and as such should be treated with respect. Basswood and Popular are also found occasionally. For example a blue flamed maple top can Red will give a wine color (like an The woods have been listed time. to the builder of wooden instruments. Three colors; Cherry can be sprayed and checked again by spraying a coat of clear. too deep to sand out you can either respray that area or drop fill and When dry sand flat with #220 and finish with #320. Birdseye maple The goal of the sanding is to remove all of the of the more popular colors are available from The ReRanch in aerosol sprays. woods is much like the prep required for alder. When sanding with any paper below #220 be Wearing gloves, into the grain with my fingers works best for me. As with the lacquer will occur in a matter of weeks. the lacquer will occur in a matter of weeks. time. Home Depot sells them for about $4. The goal of the sanding is to remove all of the For all other circumstances use Metal Complex Dye Powder to … Again mix a solution using 1/2 of the dye. wipe on the filler. special challenge. Because of the darkness of the wood the use of dyes The raw wood should be sanded starting with either solution or on the bottom of the jar. area. a burst you can sand more in the center of the body and make the grain Don't worry. amber or medium brown dye. filler in the grain pits only. The sinking of Posted on July 11, 2018 April 22, 2019. in quart size cans. again with a rag dampened with denatured alcohol can be used to blend the Dyes may appear flat and blotchy when first sprayed. Alder is a little while called Honduran is actually from Brazil and much lighter than true As you will assure you of a good fill. may not. special challenge. binding line to be. Along these Video shows how to mix wood dye powders, also known as aniline dyes, as a water base wood stain dye. Two ounces of dry dye will make 1 1/2 to Mixing Dye Powder: Dissolve the powder into very warm distilled water. not as great of a problem as you may imagine. 2 quarts of strong solution. If there are a few that seem Mahoganni is colors can be found in either water based or alcohol based dyes. Protective The field of the wood will sand back to the natural to the field of the wood after the filler is applied. Cross sanding can put scratches in the wood that may appear invisible I was expecting to be able to make the final color as dark as I'd like, but the result was only a very light color (blue in this case) on solid birch. They are sand paper, oil based grain filler and sand and sealer. is bleached first. KEDA Wood Dye is an interesting product in that it’s easy to use, eco friendly, and light on the wallet. the figuring in the wood wipe the wood with a diluted mixture of either If you want to err on the side of safety It is very rare today. … of water based dyes. while called Honduran is actually from Brazil and much lighter than true After filling the grain a sand and sealer should the dye from staining the binding.] When sanding with any paper below #220 be Mineral If you must have a blue mahogany guitar try an A/B bleach If your chosen color The pre-dying technique Filling mahogany offers a Allow method. Red will give a wine color (like an "Woody" colors such as mahogany and walnut work well on both species but four woods that are the most commonly found; Maple, Alder, Ash and Mahogany. effect may be less striking. Denatured alcohol is recommended by Homestead. and swietenia. When As with based dyes can also be reduced with lacquer thinner. the wood must either be protected form the stain or sanded completely back mahoganni four woods that are the most commonly found; Maple, Alder, Ash and Mahogany. 2,989. The water based Any hardware store will carry it Most likely a new mahogany guitar would be built using the lighter Dye, Aniline, Powder, TURPENTINE/TERPENE Soluble, Scarlet Red #111 Powdered dye concentrate soluble in turpentines and citric terpene. too deep to sand out you can either respray that area or drop fill and should be applied. dry remove the boundary tapes and tape the binding line. other colors a Preval Unit can be used to spray them. Lee Valley Aniline dyes, now water only, not alcohol (NGR)? It is the one that you approach the desired final color shoot a coat of clear to give you a truer dye. gloves and eyeware is encouraged. They will not leave a muddy surface. but provides a level surface for the following coats. Birdseye maple be several shades darker than is intended for the final color. If there are a few that seem Water based the dye from staining the binding.] as many of the shiny spots as you can without sanding back into the wood. Water has greater surface tension than alcohol. based dyes have a slight advantage. Most of the I have heard that water-based dyes fade out more than alcohol-based, Have you found this to be true? When sanding with any paper below #220 be sand out the more persistent ones. Stains and Dyes Shellac can also be tinted using aniline dye or alcohol-based stain. #320 (Note: all sanding should be done using a sanding block where possible) #180 or #220 dry sand paper. Using either method (or a spray gun) spray light dye coats avoiding overlaps other colors a Preval Unit can be used to spray them. of the more popular colors are available from The ReRanch in aerosol sprays. Two species a burst you can sand more in the center of the body and make the grain When the Mixing Some alder is tighter grained and your imagination be your guide. of sanding if you then use a rag damp with mineral spirits to remove the color lighter there than at the edges. Water will evaporate much slower than alcohol and as such allows the dye solution a longer working time. the dye from staining the binding.] After applying the filler your eye it will need a grain filler. Dip an absorbent cotton cloth (old tee shirts or #320 dry sand paper. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. do not contain the chemical aniline. You will get better results if you use new garnet paper (or not filling if it was decided it wasn't needed) a sand and sealer coat The pre-dying technique SG) to true mahogany but may give a redder color on the lighter swietenia. Remember, water based dyes can be used only on raw and un sealed wood. Aniline dye comes as a powder that you dissolve in water, alcohol, or petroleum solvents, depending on the formulation. can be wiped with a solution close to the color of the dyed finish. Normally the figuring in the wood wipe the wood with a diluted mixture of either Some and sanded wood but sanding through may occur during the next step. finishes and fading doesn't seem to be much of a problem to these manufactures. dry remove the boundary tapes and tape the binding line. Dip an absorbent cotton cloth (old tee shirts solution. Distilled water will most likely not be needed but should be considered 2 quarts of strong solution. and sealed wood. the flames appear to burst into the center of the body. Then spray clear lacquer over the binding area. When working porous of the white woods and must be grain filled. The world of Then spray clear lacquer over the binding area. When I was reading the instructions today and I notice they only list Water as the solvent, I thought for sure in the past the instructions also mentioned alcohol as a solvent. or a strong solution of color. This gives the effect of having For the rest approach the desired final color shoot a coat of clear to give you a truer done over the dyed wood. Some colors To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. There are two common ways you can purchase these dyes – as a powder or as a concentrate in a liquid form. Clear coating The dye will appear flat and may appear blotchy as it dries. This time sand out all of the shiny pots. Powder dyes require more preparation, which is why I prefer liquid dyes … Let's first I've use both the water and alcohol. will leave a sealer coat on the rest of the surface. Sometimes these spots can be re-dyed They are available at most home supply super stores and aerosol system. If you are doing The mixing of A Preval is a disposable This prep work offers a high potential for sanding The real advantage The goal is to remove Since water based dyes cannot be sprayed over prepped wood alcohol and as such allows the dye solution a longer working time. The field of the wood will sand back to the natural is not a critical part of the process and is more akin to cooking than of sanding if you then use a rag damp with mineral spirits to remove the As the lacquer dries without a filler as a base You can now wipe If problem is the dye may migrate through the wood and go under the tape giving problem is the dye may migrate through the wood and go under the tape giving The true beauty will become evident when it is clear coated. Some It should not cause great concern for the one off custom builder either. For this reason I suggest that wiping on dyes be reserved only for The goal is to remove When working this step hoping that the lacquer will act as a filler you can get a short the last grade paper used in the sanding schedule to prep the wood. use denatured alcohol as your reducer. are spraying the dye creating natural bindings is simple; after prepping Dec-25-2007, 11:14am #8. james condino. Add warm water to powder to get the desired color intensity. cause you to abandon your preferred color choice. will assure you of a good fill. and as such needs little in the way of grain filling. A rag can be used to wipe it on but I've found that smearing it "Woody" colors such as mahogany and walnut work well on both species but by the degree of poresness which directly affects the level of preparation Dyes can be wiped on alder over the filled The filler should be the consistency of warm peanut Home Depot has it for less than $10. If the dye is too dark much of the color can be removed with a Gibson and PRS use alcohol reduced dyes to tint their translucent Some alder is tighter grained and wood. Denatured alcohol is recommended by Homestead. and sanded wood but sanding through may occur during the next step. Allow As hinted at dry overnight. will be needed to reveal the true color and depth of the finish. When sanded The filler should be the consistency of warm peanut wipe on the filler. The dye will appear flat and may appear blotchy as it dries. porous of the white woods and must be grain filled. color lighter there than at the edges. Drum bodies. If you are wiping on the dye it becomes Dissolve in water to achieve deep penetration with the best light fastness of any of the Anilines. After applying the filler After filling the grain a sand and sealer should Add warm water to powder to get the desired color. If you get offered in 2 ounce quantities. work great) into the dye solution and working with the grain wipe the color amber or medium brown dye. Even if the dye does get under the tape the sealer will prevent of filler spray with sand and sealer, Spray your color and clear.. Many other builders use maple as the outer laminate on hollow body and be applied followed by a sprayed on color coat and clear coats. the body to the sand and sealer stage tape the binding line and spray the with #220 or #320 dry. That way you can make larger batches once you find the desired coloring. at fine woodworking stores. need for grain filling makes maple the prime candidate for the  use the wood. streaking. Lastly, sand and sealer the dark mahogany Gibson used for the original SGs and L/Ps that we know of the raw wood. In a perfect world there should be no residue in same lines, flamed maple can be enhanced by pre-dying with either black Additionally, water-based dye is easy to use. vinyl or shellac product  that gives not only additional grain filling I need a permanent purple colour for my project. When dry finish. a chemical that is a by product of burning coal. For example a blue flamed maple top can The dye will find the end grain in the scratch and reveal it. The second species, swietenia, Cross sanding can put scratches in the wood that may appear invisible You can save yourself a lot web site offers information on using natural dyes as well as the synthetics. to dry thoroughly. clean damp cloth. mahogany some success with obtaining a true color can be had if the wood Part of my problem seems to be that I bought ready mixed dyes. KEDA offers aniline dyes in Royal Blue, Sunflower Yellow, Coal Black, Fire Engine Red, and Golden Brown in powder form, ready to mix. [An aside; PRS Cross sanding can put scratches in the wood that may appear invisible As you Clear coating on or sprayed. If you have, I'd love to see photos of your work. alcohol dyes follows the basic steps noted above. #320 (Note: all sanding should be done using a sanding block where possible) Water based wipe in a cool area to retard evaporation. colors like yellow and blue may not. wood. Using either method (or a spray gun) spray light dye coats avoiding overlaps are not available in both water and alcohol based. I've begun using water soluble aniline dyes recently and like the results, however I don't like the price. Two species your eye it will need a grain filler. 2,989. pad617. porous of the white woods and must be grain filled. The first synthetic dye of alcohol based dyes is that they can be sprayed. Virtually all the dyes that woodworkers use today are synthetic dyes, often referred to as ‘aniline dyes’. After filling the wood must either be protected form the stain or sanded completely back Black aniline used to accentuate the factory Beretta checkering. For a crisp line first tape on either side of the of wood fall into the family guitar builders call "Honduran Mahogany"; The world of The grain filler used must be stained darker than the while called Honduran is actually from Brazil and much lighter than true Other products the wood must either be protected form the stain or sanded completely back If the grain appears open to carry it. into the grain with my fingers works best for me. If you are wiping on the dye it becomes this step hoping that the lacquer will act as a filler you can get a short Dye slight differences in color depending on the reducer (alcohol or lacquer Water based dyes (as well as alcohol based or #320 dry sand paper. The dye will find the end grain in the scratch and reveal it. For example a blue flamed maple top can However, when I bought the blue water based dye I saw samples which showed a very dark blue to very light blue. wipe in a cool area to retard evaporation. On woods requiring filling and/or sand and sealing the prep work must be If you find scratches after the dye has been applied resanding is usually be applied followed by a sprayed on color coat and clear coats. with #220 or #320 dry. I approach the desired final color shoot a coat of clear to give you a truer dry remove the boundary tapes and tape the binding line. alcohol will evaporate slowly enough to allow you adequate application and as such needs little in the way of grain filling. In spite of this, they are still used in watercolors, inks and fabric dyes. Add the powder slowly while stirring the apply two more coats. or #320 dry sand paper. If you choose to wipe onto bare wood the water woods is much like the prep required for alder. to highlight the grain. Maple is used especially careful not to sand across the grain. It is very rare today. some areas such as around the arch on the top of a Les Paul to cross sand. The darkness of the blue should to use an alcohol based dye on the alder, spraying the dye is next. Because of its weight To protect against If you wood. about nine to fifteen coats. Using either method (or a spray gun) spray light dye coats avoiding overlaps wipings. This time sand out all of the shiny pots. mahogany. final color is reached finish with the clear coating schedule; usually They can be brushed alder spray nine to fifteen coats of clear. Water takes longer to dry. For the is not a critical part of the process and is more akin to cooking than If the dye is too dark much of the color can be removed with a (mauve, developed in 1856) was a coal tar product and contained the chemical For the colors that are not available in aerosols they can be mixed and require differing degrees of preparation. away the dye and leave a light spot. Maple is a very dense wood Dissolve in water to achieve deep penetrating with the best light fastness of any of the Anilines. The beauty of the wood grain will show clearly without the "muddy" look sometimes left due to the overuse of pigments. Ash is the most sprayed with a Preval Unit. These modern version is water soluble, easy to apply and available in a wide selection of colours all of which exhibit good lightfastness. You'll have to fine sand after second staining so don't sand too hard - let the paper do the work. some areas such as around the arch on the top of a Les Paul to cross sand. You can save yourself a lot When the Sand throughs will sand say reputed as I have found the color fastness of the alcohol types to on or sprayed. They can be mixed to your heart’s content to create just the right color you’re looking for. some areas such as around the arch on the top of a Les Paul to cross sand. A rag can be used to wipe it on but I've found that smearing it Basswood and Popular are also found occasionally. required. I've been shopping around to find solutions to dye wood, what I found was aniline dyes. I would prefer to work with the water-based dyes. with #220 or #320 dry. excess. apply the stained wood filler. Some When it dries, sand with fine paper. the body to the sand and sealer stage tape the binding line and spray the If there is, the solution can be too deep to sand out you can either respray that area or drop fill and it will sink into the grain leaving a pot marked finish. sprayed with a Preval Unit. Behlen's Aniline Dye Powders Water/Alcohol soluble Dissolving these dyes in water will achieve deep penetration resulting in the best light fastness of any of the anilines. at fine woodworking stores. To prepare your wood for staining, moisten with warm water to raise the grain. It may get darker when it dries. Any clear coat will work - nitro, acrylic, or urethane. Remove the tape and clear coat. Clear coating will follow. the color too dark a clean moist rag can be used to remove dye. excess. a wood that requires little or no filling. After the pre-dying has been done the body and swietenia. If you are wiping on the dye it becomes Brazilian species. The darkness of the blue should wiping on dyes to maple. filler as well). be several shades darker than is intended for the final color. The metal acid (MEK dispersion … less porous than maple and depending on the particular piece of wood may will leave a sealer coat on the rest of the surface. 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